HV000
08-10 10:50 AM
These are stupid quotes that will only make the situation worse. The real solution is to make the fingerprinting independent of the green card process. There is no point in trying to push for a faster name check in the post 9-11 world, it will be shot down legitimately. We need to make sensible suggestions not demands.
You better read the OMBUDSMAN Report before coming with irrational thoughts!!
You better read the OMBUDSMAN Report before coming with irrational thoughts!!
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Robert Kumar
03-31 07:04 AM
If its an April fool Joke we should know on Apr 1st
Otherwise we will know in 2nd week.
Dont think so.
Otherwise we will know in 2nd week.
Dont think so.
gg_ny
08-09 04:07 PM
You missed my point entirely. The better thing for everybody is to decouple the namecheck from the green card so that the name check can go on for as long as the FBI desires while you get the green card which can be revoked if the name check fails. To get a large government agency to spin their wheels faster so that some foreigners benefit in a post 9/11 world is a lunatic and impractical way of thinking.
Will all due respects, I did not miss your point; I completely understand it. But the reality is that, GC is one step away from citizenship and all constitutional rights. Even with BG checks if wrong people enter, how worse it would be - even if it is just an "interim GC" - without full BG checks. No sane citizen of any country would buy that kind of argument for his or her country. Rather, if you say 'I would pay for you to do your job better', then
you would have audience.
According to FBI, it is not a pathological procrastinator or diabolically negative to immigration like CIS. Their job is not to count the immigrants, rather to make sure right people come in. They are overwhelmed by the demand and limited by staff numbers. Help them to increase their efficiency by adding more numbers to their staff. Similar arguments went thru the Congress like a cakewalk when USCIS recommended increase in visa/immigration fees: "more fees, more revenue, more employees, more productivity". With CIS, i have no hope for any intrinsic improvement anytime soon even with more millions. But one can still have hopes on FBI.
With few 100,000 new applicants in the past 2 months, it would be a joke to ask FBI to skip the BG check and give them all GC. It is going to be more sadder joke on us, when this flood of new applicants start pulling down the name check process to oblivion. There are going to be more people among the new applicants stuck with BG checks in the next 2-4 years than ever had been.
Will all due respects, I did not miss your point; I completely understand it. But the reality is that, GC is one step away from citizenship and all constitutional rights. Even with BG checks if wrong people enter, how worse it would be - even if it is just an "interim GC" - without full BG checks. No sane citizen of any country would buy that kind of argument for his or her country. Rather, if you say 'I would pay for you to do your job better', then
you would have audience.
According to FBI, it is not a pathological procrastinator or diabolically negative to immigration like CIS. Their job is not to count the immigrants, rather to make sure right people come in. They are overwhelmed by the demand and limited by staff numbers. Help them to increase their efficiency by adding more numbers to their staff. Similar arguments went thru the Congress like a cakewalk when USCIS recommended increase in visa/immigration fees: "more fees, more revenue, more employees, more productivity". With CIS, i have no hope for any intrinsic improvement anytime soon even with more millions. But one can still have hopes on FBI.
With few 100,000 new applicants in the past 2 months, it would be a joke to ask FBI to skip the BG check and give them all GC. It is going to be more sadder joke on us, when this flood of new applicants start pulling down the name check process to oblivion. There are going to be more people among the new applicants stuck with BG checks in the next 2-4 years than ever had been.
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08-18 11:56 AM
Received CPO Email today - Status changed from " received your response on Sept. 15, 2008 ... will notify the decision in 60 days " to CPO.
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End of a long journey started in 2000 as a grad student.
Thank you very much for all the leads. I did exactly what most of you recommended.
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newuser
11-10 12:25 PM
I mailed the letters today
yabadaba
01-08 09:16 AM
For those wanting to personalize it a little bit.
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Mr. President:
I write today to urge you to fix America’s broken legal employment-based immigration system. Currently, more than 500,000 skilled individuals who contribute to the American economy through their hard work in high technology, scientific research, medicine and other fields find themselves trapped in a process that is hopelessly backlogged. If nothing is done, hundreds of thousands of immigrants will wait years or even decades in a process that was never intended to take so long. While comprehensive change will require legislative action, your administration can implement administrative remedies to improve America’s competitiveness, eliminate bureaucratic inefficiencies, and improve our quality of life.
<insert personal blurb here>
Attracting and retaining the best and brightest minds from around the world is in America’s best interest. In February 2006, your Domestic Policy Council issued a report on the American Competitiveness Initiative that recognized the importance of employment-based immigration. The report stated:
“The President also recognizes that enabling the world's most talented and hardest-working individuals to put their skills to work for America will increase our entrepreneurship and our international competitiveness, and will net many high-paying jobs for all Americans. The United States benefits from our ability to attract and retain needed immigrant and non-immigrant students and workers, and it is important that America remains competitive in attracting talented foreign nationals.”
You can advance your stated objective by making common-sense administrative reforms to fix a system that is clearly broken.
Implementing much-needed reforms will also free government resources to focus on pressing national security matters. For example, current rules require the Department of Homeland Security to renew the Employment Authorization Documents (EADs) of hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants each year as those immigrants wait for green cards and permanent residency in the U.S. Rather than renew these EADs annually, the government could renew these documents every three years, freeing countless hours that could be better spent serving the Department’s mission.
The greatest impact of the broken green card process is borne by the legal immigrants and their families. The more than half million highly-skilled legal immigrants already working productively in the United States find themselves trapped in a system that is taking years longer than intended. During this wait for a green card, these immigrants remain trapped in a legal maze, unable to change jobs – even within the same employer – without starting the arduous immigration process over again, and subject to waits that grow longer and longer.
We implore you to exercise your authority to implement administratively these much-needed reforms.
• Recapture administratively the unused visas for permanent residency to fulfill the congressional mandate of 140,000 green cards per year.
• Revise the administrative definition of “same or similar” to allow slight additional job flexibility for legal immigrants awaiting adjudication of adjustment of status (I-485) petitions.
• Allow filing of Adjustment of Status (Form I-485) when a visa number is not available.
• Implement the existing interim rule to allow issuance of multi-year Employment Authorization Documents (EAD) and Advance Parole.
• Allow visa revalidation in the United States.
• Reinstate premium processing of Immigrant Petitions.
I urge you to implement these administrative remedies without delay. Action is urgently needed to fulfill your stated goal of attracting and retaining highly-skilled legal immigrants from around the world, eliminating bureaucratic inefficiency, and improving the lives of future Americans already living and working legally in the United States.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Respectfully,
The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Mr. President:
I write today to urge you to fix America’s broken legal employment-based immigration system. Currently, more than 500,000 skilled individuals who contribute to the American economy through their hard work in high technology, scientific research, medicine and other fields find themselves trapped in a process that is hopelessly backlogged. If nothing is done, hundreds of thousands of immigrants will wait years or even decades in a process that was never intended to take so long. While comprehensive change will require legislative action, your administration can implement administrative remedies to improve America’s competitiveness, eliminate bureaucratic inefficiencies, and improve our quality of life.
<insert personal blurb here>
Attracting and retaining the best and brightest minds from around the world is in America’s best interest. In February 2006, your Domestic Policy Council issued a report on the American Competitiveness Initiative that recognized the importance of employment-based immigration. The report stated:
“The President also recognizes that enabling the world's most talented and hardest-working individuals to put their skills to work for America will increase our entrepreneurship and our international competitiveness, and will net many high-paying jobs for all Americans. The United States benefits from our ability to attract and retain needed immigrant and non-immigrant students and workers, and it is important that America remains competitive in attracting talented foreign nationals.”
You can advance your stated objective by making common-sense administrative reforms to fix a system that is clearly broken.
Implementing much-needed reforms will also free government resources to focus on pressing national security matters. For example, current rules require the Department of Homeland Security to renew the Employment Authorization Documents (EADs) of hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants each year as those immigrants wait for green cards and permanent residency in the U.S. Rather than renew these EADs annually, the government could renew these documents every three years, freeing countless hours that could be better spent serving the Department’s mission.
The greatest impact of the broken green card process is borne by the legal immigrants and their families. The more than half million highly-skilled legal immigrants already working productively in the United States find themselves trapped in a system that is taking years longer than intended. During this wait for a green card, these immigrants remain trapped in a legal maze, unable to change jobs – even within the same employer – without starting the arduous immigration process over again, and subject to waits that grow longer and longer.
We implore you to exercise your authority to implement administratively these much-needed reforms.
• Recapture administratively the unused visas for permanent residency to fulfill the congressional mandate of 140,000 green cards per year.
• Revise the administrative definition of “same or similar” to allow slight additional job flexibility for legal immigrants awaiting adjudication of adjustment of status (I-485) petitions.
• Allow filing of Adjustment of Status (Form I-485) when a visa number is not available.
• Implement the existing interim rule to allow issuance of multi-year Employment Authorization Documents (EAD) and Advance Parole.
• Allow visa revalidation in the United States.
• Reinstate premium processing of Immigrant Petitions.
I urge you to implement these administrative remedies without delay. Action is urgently needed to fulfill your stated goal of attracting and retaining highly-skilled legal immigrants from around the world, eliminating bureaucratic inefficiency, and improving the lives of future Americans already living and working legally in the United States.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Respectfully,
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gvenkat
09-24 11:28 AM
Bharatpremi,
Thanks for the excellent analysis. One question, your analysis assumes category excess visas goto next category on a per country basis, is this correct ?
Example, EB-1 china number goto EB-2 China ? I thought all EB-1 China numbers are added to the excess pool and then given to most retrogressed EB2 category ?
Thanks for anyone who clarifies this.
No matter how the data is sliced and diced, being EB3-I certainly means a loo...ong wait time ... :)
Well if you are EB3 you are scrwed. I think it's almost worthless waiting for a GC. :mad:
Thanks for the excellent analysis. One question, your analysis assumes category excess visas goto next category on a per country basis, is this correct ?
Example, EB-1 china number goto EB-2 China ? I thought all EB-1 China numbers are added to the excess pool and then given to most retrogressed EB2 category ?
Thanks for anyone who clarifies this.
No matter how the data is sliced and diced, being EB3-I certainly means a loo...ong wait time ... :)
Well if you are EB3 you are scrwed. I think it's almost worthless waiting for a GC. :mad:
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aau
08-08 10:26 AM
This helps answer my question. I am a little unclear about promotions and whether that will qualify one for a new labor, etc. I personally am not planning to change anything at the moment. My promotion, etc is not being stalled because of my status. So I am OK. Thanks again for your answer.
Yes, promotions will qualify you and by promotion I mean a more Senior position, that needs more experience or an Advanced degree. Basically its just like you are applying for a NEW job altogether. You will need to file a new Labor and then I-140, but this time in EB2.
Yes, promotions will qualify you and by promotion I mean a more Senior position, that needs more experience or an Advanced degree. Basically its just like you are applying for a NEW job altogether. You will need to file a new Labor and then I-140, but this time in EB2.
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raama123
09-25 09:21 PM
Can we apply two labors with different companies for single person in PERM ?
my labor is approved with B company in Aug2010.
my employer (company A - holding my h1) also applied labor in July2010.
they are called employer and want to visit company and consultant work place
USCIS visited wrong address and they mailed to my employer like below
1) If MR. is employed by your organization;
2) The start date of MR. employment with your organization;
3) The specific geographic location and physical address MRs working at;
4) The current client that MR is assigned to. Please also provide contact information for a representative of that end client and a copy of the contract. You also indicated that you have filed a new LCA with the Department of Labor � please provide a copy of that LCA.
5) The specific job duties that MR is performing;
6) And the current annual compensation of MR.. Please provide a copy of the IRS Form W-2 issued to MR for 2009 as well as recent payroll documentation for July 2010 to present.
I am working in Govt client,I can provide above all the documents except may not provide representative name and number.
how can i manage this situation,please give me suggestion and share your experiences.
--Rama
my labor is approved with B company in Aug2010.
my employer (company A - holding my h1) also applied labor in July2010.
they are called employer and want to visit company and consultant work place
USCIS visited wrong address and they mailed to my employer like below
1) If MR. is employed by your organization;
2) The start date of MR. employment with your organization;
3) The specific geographic location and physical address MRs working at;
4) The current client that MR is assigned to. Please also provide contact information for a representative of that end client and a copy of the contract. You also indicated that you have filed a new LCA with the Department of Labor � please provide a copy of that LCA.
5) The specific job duties that MR is performing;
6) And the current annual compensation of MR.. Please provide a copy of the IRS Form W-2 issued to MR for 2009 as well as recent payroll documentation for July 2010 to present.
I am working in Govt client,I can provide above all the documents except may not provide representative name and number.
how can i manage this situation,please give me suggestion and share your experiences.
--Rama
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09-09 12:25 AM
Got an RFE request today to fax fresh g325. Please chime in and share your experience of a similar sail, if any.
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drona
07-11 02:32 PM
I'd be surprised if Arnie is anti-immigration considering he is an immigrant himself.
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rodnyb
04-04 02:12 PM
Did it suggest lots of denial rate on 140 (especially Eb1s)? And it is deterring 140 filing since Jan.? I believe all those lawyers, and bodyshops realize it.
Getting any sort of data out of any of the immigration agencies is often frustrating. Especially something like how many eb2 I-140 did they accept, approve, deny... However, they do randomly throw number out and we can scavenge through them for `clues'. Here is one such link.
USCIS: National Processing Volumes and Trends (http://dashboard.uscis.gov/index.cfm?formtype=7&office=5&charttype=1)
Getting any sort of data out of any of the immigration agencies is often frustrating. Especially something like how many eb2 I-140 did they accept, approve, deny... However, they do randomly throw number out and we can scavenge through them for `clues'. Here is one such link.
USCIS: National Processing Volumes and Trends (http://dashboard.uscis.gov/index.cfm?formtype=7&office=5&charttype=1)
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sunny1000
06-29 08:20 PM
here is my theory.
DOS and USCIS played a tactical move by making all the visa numbers current in anticipation of the CIR bill so that the legals wont complain to the senators about retrogression.
Once the CIR went down the drain, they are panicking about the outcome of their tactical error and trying to undo that move.
Again, just my theory...:confused:
DOS and USCIS played a tactical move by making all the visa numbers current in anticipation of the CIR bill so that the legals wont complain to the senators about retrogression.
Once the CIR went down the drain, they are panicking about the outcome of their tactical error and trying to undo that move.
Again, just my theory...:confused:
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01-12 05:51 PM
My Wife kindly agreed to write the letter. They are on their way to the White house and California IV .
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amoljak
07-21 09:41 PM
All these statistics are based on wage rate specified on LCA. But in many cases LCA wage is treated as a minimum wage by companies. I don't think many companies get a new LCA when the salary rises, I don't think they are supposed to. It also does not include bonuses as companies often don't know what the bonus is going to be when they apply for an LCA.
Even based on the LCA salaries 10% H1Bs in 2006 were for 100K or more. (Unlike what the programmer's guild wrongly says (1%) )
Even based on the LCA salaries 10% H1Bs in 2006 were for 100K or more. (Unlike what the programmer's guild wrongly says (1%) )
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saileshdude
08-13 10:56 AM
Should not be an issue. I spoke recently to one of the attorneys and they mentioned that H-1B transfer should not be an issue. As long as you have a job offer in similar classification it should be fine. Regarding the AC21 they suggested that if dates are current then a good approach is to wait for filing AC21 and see if you get the GC. If you don't and dates retrogress then file it later. But filing immediately also wouldn't hurt.
My I-485 case is current right now. If I change my employer(whoever sponsored Green Card) to a new employer, what are the concequences? I want to do H1B transfer because I am not using EAD right now, should I file AC21 or not?
Priority Date: Dec/15/2005
Service Center: NSC
My I-485 case is current right now. If I change my employer(whoever sponsored Green Card) to a new employer, what are the concequences? I want to do H1B transfer because I am not using EAD right now, should I file AC21 or not?
Priority Date: Dec/15/2005
Service Center: NSC
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shouldIwait
05-10 05:37 PM
Few responses to Mr. Hunter.
I'm not blind to stereotyping in this forum or elsewhere. It's not you vs. them kinda thing. You ARE stereotyping based upon some TRUE things but it is still stereotyping, isn't it.
Also, you understood some of my comments wrong. All I was saying is that due to big ISV's like TCS/INFY/WIPRO and mushrooms of bodyshops the actual worker gets pennies on a dollar and they keep the booty. So it's not the worker who causes wage depression it's the circumvention of the spirit of law that these companies do which causes it. I say "spirit of law" because they still stay within the legal framework. As far as offshoring is concerned it's a big discussion in itself and forces of capitalism and globalization are at work. None of us can prevent that but we can counter it by moving up in the value chain.
The scenario you described about modus operandi of big Indian ISV's is 100% correct but to generally imply that Indians are 1/5th as good as Americans when it comes to IT (50 member team vs. 10-12 member team) is a supremacist attitude and completely untrue.
It is true that the Indian counterparts are usually of much younger age but rarely substandard for the job. Companies realize that IT is no-longer considered rocket-science and they can save a few bucks. Try to think objectively keeping personal impact aside.
Now regarding overall economic input of immigrants there are issues broader and larger than you mentioned. Some of the smaller points you mentioned are true but you are completely missing the big picture. We can discuss that in a different thread :)
When Bill Gates says best-and-brightest it applies to individuals and not a VISA category, he's not lying. Among the 65K every year you'll find people from all skill levels, cream-of-the-cream to just-about-ok, and a few rotten-apples too. The immigration system is not designed to test skill level. Overall it's old, irrelevant and doesn't help anyone. It needs to be re-designed but unfortunately people are divided on fake lines and ignore the real issues or rather real solutions.
Although you have said it differently but you are right that solution to mine and your problems lie at the same spot, a modern, common-sense, immigration system that promotes best-and-the-brightest (Indian and American) and discourages exploitation.
I'm not blind to stereotyping in this forum or elsewhere. It's not you vs. them kinda thing. You ARE stereotyping based upon some TRUE things but it is still stereotyping, isn't it.
Also, you understood some of my comments wrong. All I was saying is that due to big ISV's like TCS/INFY/WIPRO and mushrooms of bodyshops the actual worker gets pennies on a dollar and they keep the booty. So it's not the worker who causes wage depression it's the circumvention of the spirit of law that these companies do which causes it. I say "spirit of law" because they still stay within the legal framework. As far as offshoring is concerned it's a big discussion in itself and forces of capitalism and globalization are at work. None of us can prevent that but we can counter it by moving up in the value chain.
The scenario you described about modus operandi of big Indian ISV's is 100% correct but to generally imply that Indians are 1/5th as good as Americans when it comes to IT (50 member team vs. 10-12 member team) is a supremacist attitude and completely untrue.
It is true that the Indian counterparts are usually of much younger age but rarely substandard for the job. Companies realize that IT is no-longer considered rocket-science and they can save a few bucks. Try to think objectively keeping personal impact aside.
Now regarding overall economic input of immigrants there are issues broader and larger than you mentioned. Some of the smaller points you mentioned are true but you are completely missing the big picture. We can discuss that in a different thread :)
When Bill Gates says best-and-brightest it applies to individuals and not a VISA category, he's not lying. Among the 65K every year you'll find people from all skill levels, cream-of-the-cream to just-about-ok, and a few rotten-apples too. The immigration system is not designed to test skill level. Overall it's old, irrelevant and doesn't help anyone. It needs to be re-designed but unfortunately people are divided on fake lines and ignore the real issues or rather real solutions.
Although you have said it differently but you are right that solution to mine and your problems lie at the same spot, a modern, common-sense, immigration system that promotes best-and-the-brightest (Indian and American) and discourages exploitation.
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lost_in_gc_land
02-16 01:31 AM
Hi all,
I am planning for a trip to india and get my first visa stamping done some time in may. My visa was approved in july 2007. Does anyone think that this issue will prolong till may? Or will all these database updates for the PIMS verification checks be complete by then? Any inputs will be highly appreciated. Thanks.
Hi Bhagyesh,
From what I have gathered in the PIMS ruling is that cases approved after the PIMS ruling implementation will be put in the database first followed by cases that were approved prior...
Anyone else gather this from the PIMS ruling please let me know...and correct me if I am wrong.
I am planning for a trip to india and get my first visa stamping done some time in may. My visa was approved in july 2007. Does anyone think that this issue will prolong till may? Or will all these database updates for the PIMS verification checks be complete by then? Any inputs will be highly appreciated. Thanks.
Hi Bhagyesh,
From what I have gathered in the PIMS ruling is that cases approved after the PIMS ruling implementation will be put in the database first followed by cases that were approved prior...
Anyone else gather this from the PIMS ruling please let me know...and correct me if I am wrong.
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ajay
01-18 11:30 AM
I voted for Citizenship if you have lived legally in this Country for 10 years continuously, although I will be completing my 10 years next year only. Good luck to all those aspiring this.
nk2006
11-18 12:38 PM
I received a phone call (WOW!) from a sweet lady from CIS Ombudsman's office. I sent letters to his office and in the letter I mentioned my cell #. Anyway she wants a real person who got deniel. I told her that my friend got deniel (IVens are my fried). Anyway, she sent an email too after I asked her to give her info so that my friend can send her his case details. Unfortunately, the email I received shortly after the conversation, looks like general and does not have her ID. Please PM me if you like to hear more about the phone call.
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Thank you for your correspondence to the Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman (CIS Ombudsman).
We greatly appreciate your comments regarding issues concerning the American Competitiveness Act in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21) processing at the service centers. As we have received several inquiries such as yours, we are currently discussing these issues with USCIS and reviewing their policies and procedures regarding adjudication of these petitions.
If you have evidence of a specific I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status case that you feel was erroneously denied due to USCIS not adhering to AC21 guidelines, we kindly ask that you please immediately forward us a case problem request, including a copy of your denial notice, detailed information as to the reasons for the immediate denial, and, if appropriate, evidence that you have submitted a Motion to Reopen or Reconsider.
Instructions for completing a DHS Form 7001 (case problem) can be found on our website: http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm#10.
Please submit your case problem and supporting documents via email to cisombudsman@dhs.gov or via facsimile to 202-357-0042 with the subject AC21 Evidence of Immediate Denial.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
CIS Ombudsman
(cmp)
Thank you gc4me for sharing info.
Its very good that they are taking notice of the issue. It would have been great if their follow-up email had some more details but in any case please share any info (like phone number your received call from) with pd_recapturing - he is culling info together from the people who are really affected.
If anyone else receive similar call - please try to get their direct contact details (it might help in our next steps being co-ordinated by chanduv, pd_recapturing, itsnotfunny and a bunch of other volunteers).
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Thank you for your correspondence to the Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman (CIS Ombudsman).
We greatly appreciate your comments regarding issues concerning the American Competitiveness Act in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21) processing at the service centers. As we have received several inquiries such as yours, we are currently discussing these issues with USCIS and reviewing their policies and procedures regarding adjudication of these petitions.
If you have evidence of a specific I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status case that you feel was erroneously denied due to USCIS not adhering to AC21 guidelines, we kindly ask that you please immediately forward us a case problem request, including a copy of your denial notice, detailed information as to the reasons for the immediate denial, and, if appropriate, evidence that you have submitted a Motion to Reopen or Reconsider.
Instructions for completing a DHS Form 7001 (case problem) can be found on our website: http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm#10.
Please submit your case problem and supporting documents via email to cisombudsman@dhs.gov or via facsimile to 202-357-0042 with the subject AC21 Evidence of Immediate Denial.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
CIS Ombudsman
(cmp)
Thank you gc4me for sharing info.
Its very good that they are taking notice of the issue. It would have been great if their follow-up email had some more details but in any case please share any info (like phone number your received call from) with pd_recapturing - he is culling info together from the people who are really affected.
If anyone else receive similar call - please try to get their direct contact details (it might help in our next steps being co-ordinated by chanduv, pd_recapturing, itsnotfunny and a bunch of other volunteers).
shouldIwait
05-09 03:24 PM
Most of what Hunter has said is not wrong. Exploitation and malpractices by small/big consulting companies is a reality. All of the Indian immigrants know it. Indian workers submit to it because it still is a very good bargain.
But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of demand/supply equation. It's nobody's fault that India/China are on the supply side (be it here or there respective countries). Moreover an individual with the will to uproot himself from the other side of the world and come here generally has much stronger zest to make it big than live an average life.
With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.
What we all need here is a common-sense and honest approach to immigratiion. Also, we must understand that much is driven by forces of capitalism and they are strong enough to find a way, protectionism or no protectionism.
But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of demand/supply equation. It's nobody's fault that India/China are on the supply side (be it here or there respective countries). Moreover an individual with the will to uproot himself from the other side of the world and come here generally has much stronger zest to make it big than live an average life.
With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.
What we all need here is a common-sense and honest approach to immigratiion. Also, we must understand that much is driven by forces of capitalism and they are strong enough to find a way, protectionism or no protectionism.
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